[libre-riscv-dev] [Bug 379] New: Create wiki page for recruitment letter to Universities (& etc.) to point to

[libre-riscv-dev] [Bug 379] New: Create wiki page for recruitment letter to Universities (& etc.) to point to

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https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379

            Bug ID: 379
           Summary: Create wiki page for recruitment letter to
                    Universities (& etc.) to point to
           Product: Libre-SOC's first SoC
           Version: unspecified
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: CONFIRMED
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: ---
         Component: Conferences
          Assignee: lkcl@lkcl.net
          Reporter: colepoirier@gmail.com
                CC: libre-riscv-dev@lists.libre-riscv.org
   NLnet milestone: ---

Cole Poirier:
> > Will also work on a blurb for soliciting new members, and research some
> > possible methods of publicising our search for memebers.

lkcl:
> my partner marie has a contact at HK University, please do point her at it
> when you have it written. (a short wiki page is great).

Will do, thanks this is a great place to start. Also will be contacting U of T,
my sister is a 3rd year ECE student there. Planning on contacting as many CS
and ECE listservs as I can find. Is this permitted? Are there any procedures,
regulations, or recommendations when it comes to cold contacting mailing list
registrars with a request to share our letter informing students (and faculty?)
of the opportunity to "work on complex and interesting libre hardware/software
and receive tax deductible charitable donations for their contributions?"

After university engineering and computer science mailing lists, maybe I should
try tech and hardware forums? Perhaps both the professional and enthusiast tech
forums, because people like Jacob and I watch things like Gamer's Nexus on
youtube, so there may be others that we can find there?

> we have something on the front page already however it is embedded *in* the
> front page and so is not really clear.

I agree. I'll write something up and post it on the wiki, will post the link
here when its up.

> we also cannot call it "jobs" because sigh that implies salaries, per-hour
> payments, employment, that we will cover their insurance costs, holidays
> and so on.  wark-wark.

Don't worry, I got on that same page... months ago? It's hard to forget when
it's been discussed so many times on list.

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[libre-riscv-dev] [Bug 379] Create wiki page for recruitment letter to Universities (& etc.) to point to

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https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379

--- Comment #1 from Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net> ---
(In reply to Cole Poirier from comment #0)
> Cole Poirier:
> > > Will also work on a blurb for soliciting new members, and research some
> > > possible methods of publicising our search for memebers.
> 
> lkcl:
> > my partner marie has a contact at HK University, please do point her at it
> > when you have it written. (a short wiki page is great).
> 
> Will do, thanks this is a great place to start. Also will be contacting U of
> T, my sister is a 3rd year ECE student there. Planning on contacting as many
> CS and ECE listservs as I can find. Is this permitted?

they're generally unwelcome except in this case we actually have donations
available.

it is however necessary to carefully research each organisation and find out.

for example, the FSF takes a dim view of recruitment spam on its losts.  they
have a special "jobs" board.  you have to give a small donation to use it.

except... we are not *looking* for "jobs" because we are not a commercial
entity.

sigh.

so on that one we fall between two stools.

yes, basically, each organisation will have some interaction guidelines, and i
would recommend contacting the organisers privately to ask their advice.

this will take time.

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[libre-riscv-dev] [Bug 379] Create wiki page for recruitment letter to Universities (& etc.) to point to

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https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379

--- Comment #2 from Cole Poirier <colepoirier@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton from comment #1)
> (In reply to Cole Poirier from comment #0)
> > Cole Poirier:
> they're generally unwelcome except in this case we actually have donations
> available.

Understood. I will take the time and diligence to properly respect each
community's guidelines.

When it comes to contacting official university faculty/student mailing lists,
the only option that I can think of is to send a polite email to the
administrators of these lists at each school/department. 

In the email I will ask if they can please share with their mailing list
(usually department student mailing lists will promote job/internship
opportunities, ours is like a donation-based, task-completion based
internship(?)) our letter that outlines an opportunity to work on a complex
real world hardware and software project, as well as get paid in donations by
NLNet for the tasks they complete. Is my presumption correct, or is there a
better method you can recommend? 

> it is however necessary to carefully research each organisation and find out.
> 
> for example, the FSF takes a dim view of recruitment spam on its losts. 
> they have a special "jobs" board.  you have to give a small donation to use
> it.
> 
> except... we are not *looking* for "jobs" because we are not a commercial
> entity.

Indeed, I have been and will continue to be very careful to assert this
essential distinction in my communications about this.

> sigh.
> 
> so on that one we fall between two stools.

Don't despair, I'll be trying to put some significant effort into this, because
you've already being at it for years, but now I think you really have more
important things to take care of and devote your focus to. 

May I be delegated the task of recruitment (non-commercial 'contracted' work on
tasks that are eligible for donations)? I will keep the project informed of my
efforts here... Well actually I think I'll create a new bug for this under the
new top-level "Libre-SOC Organization" bugzilla product. I understand that this
task requires tact, patience, and a lot of time. I am willing to devote the
necessary effort and time, and would like to be explicitly delegated this task
so that I can work on this officially. I'd like some guidelines from the
project members as to how I should represent Libre-SOC in my communications,
and further input on what I should do, as this will be my responsibility,
however I am not solely 'in charge' of this because that is explicitly not how
our organization is structured.

> yes, basically, each organisation will have some interaction guidelines, and
> i would recommend contacting the organisers privately to ask their advice.
> 
> this will take time.

Your tact is something I will ensure to preserve in my communications on behalf
of the project.

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[libre-riscv-dev] [Bug 379] Create wiki page for recruitment letter to Universities (& etc.) to point to

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https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379

Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Component|Conferences                 |Planning
           Assignee|lkcl@lkcl.net               |colepoirier@gmail.com
                 CC|                            |libre-soc-org@lists.libre-s
                   |                            |oc.org
            Product|Libre-SOC's first SoC       |Libre-SOC Organisation

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[libre-riscv-dev] [Bug 379] Create wiki page for recruitment letter to Universities (& etc.) to point to

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https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379

Cole Poirier <colepoirier@gmail.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|CONFIRMED                   |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #3 from Cole Poirier <colepoirier@gmail.com> ---
Migrated to new toplevel "Libre-SOC Organization"

Bug 380 - First round of recruitment attempts on university and technical
mailing lists
<https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=380>

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[libre-riscv-dev] [Bug 379] Create wiki page for recruitment letter to Universities (& etc.) to point to

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https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379

Cole Poirier <colepoirier@gmail.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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         Resolution|FIXED                       |DUPLICATE

--- Comment #4 from Cole Poirier <colepoirier@gmail.com> ---


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 380 ***

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